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  A NEW Flock book has been released, with notes by a Presiding Overseer

  by Elsewhere in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  for several years there has been available a pay attention to yourselves and to the flock book in pdf and html format.

  this book has proven to be extremely valuable in exposing the morally questionable activities of the watchtower society.

  now we have a new version that is even more valuable because it contains the hand-written notes of a presiding overseer, some notes as recent as late 2005. these notes are frequently dictated to elders by a circuit overseer or district overseer in order to avoid liability (the wts can deny every giving such instructions).

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  Lady Liberty

  Dear Elsewhere,

  HOLY COW!! Thank you for this!!! I am saving it right away!!! Unfreaking believable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It makes me SICK! I wonder what mutalrespectplease would say to this??

  Sincerely,

  Lady Liberty
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  I am stuck in a life I don't want and can't see the way out

  by Orgull in

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  2. experiences

  some of you have encouraged me already in the week or so i've been here and i think you.. here's the situation.

  i am single.

  i am 34 years old.

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  Lady Liberty

  Dear Orgull,

  (((HUGS)))!!! Hang in there! I am sure you will get alot of good advise from those in your shoes. Just know this...You are not alone!!

  We are here for you!

  Sincerely,

  Lady Liberty
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  NEED HELP finding info on disassociating those who aren't active.....

  by Lady Liberty in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  dear friends,.

  i need help finding when, how and where i might find that announcement..publication...where the new procedure was not to announce ones as being dfed..but now they were to be annnounced as "no longer one of jehovahs witnesses".

  with that change, it made it so that those who were not active could technically be announced.

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  Lady Liberty

  Dear Sir82,

  Thank you for shedding more light on the proceedure. And I agree with you it was my misunderstanding that it was a "policy"... The way I understood it, and from the experience I gave, I thought it was at the elders disgretion to do it or not. So thank you for clearing that up.

  Sincerely,

  Lady Liberty
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  Reasoning with spouses using the 09/07 KM article

  by sir82 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i am still working on my wife, some progress is being made, but it is slow going.. here is how i plan to reason with her regarding the 9/07 km article on "non-endorsed" methods of study.

  feel free to use or adapt yourself, if you are in a similar situation.. .

  suppose that one day a stranger calls the house when i am not at home.

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  Lady Liberty

  It certainly would not be helpful to my cause to acknowledge that I get "advance info" from an apostate board!

  Well of course not! I thought maybe you had already recieved it from the hall. What I meant was are you going to wait until after it is discussed at the meeting or bring it up up when you recieve it.

  L.L.
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  NEED HELP finding info on disassociating those who aren't active.....

  by Lady Liberty in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  dear friends,.

  i need help finding when, how and where i might find that announcement..publication...where the new procedure was not to announce ones as being dfed..but now they were to be annnounced as "no longer one of jehovahs witnesses".

  with that change, it made it so that those who were not active could technically be announced.

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  Lady Liberty

  Dear Sir 82,

  According to the elders who met with us they in so many words said that they were concerned over our lack of meeting attendance, and in light of that, they asked us if we still considered ourselves one of Jehovahs Witnesses. We said yes..why would you ask that just because we were not at meetings. They told us that by our actions we could be considered no longer one of Jehovahs Witnesses. I remember thinking are they going to make the announcement? Is this how they are going to get rid of us?

  Certainly by changing the announcement from "so & so has been disfellowshipped" to "so & so is no longer a Jehovahs Witness", it certainly makes it alot easier to jump from someone who has done wrongdoing in their eyes, to someone who..may very well just not be a witness because their not active anymore.

  I personally know for a fact of of a congregation in Northern California where after this change, some over eager elders started calling ones who had been inactive for years & years asking if they were ever going to come back, and if they said no..then they made the announcement from the hall..."So & So is no longer a Jehovahs Witness". They have since been treated as DF'D persons. This coming straight from a elder to us, who was in that elder body.

  So my point is that maybe it is not a common practice, but it has happened even in isolated cases.

  Sincerely,

  Lady Liberty
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  We've been invited to a JC

  by besty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  for those of you don't know our story sweet pea and i stopped attending all meetings quite abruptly about 4 months ago.

  since then we have had a few ill-advised conversations with jw friends and family stating our reasons - sometimes in emails.

  also sp emailed a new friend on another forum her experiene with going to a new church.

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  Lady Liberty

  Dear Besty,

  Oh how it makes my blood BOIL!! Apostacy for questions??!! As I told you we recieved the same label when our questions were leaked out by my mother in law.

  You may ask your elders: Did Jesus disfellowship Thomas for doubting him?? For having sincere questions regarding Jesus resurection?? Here he was questioning the Son of God!! What was Jesus responce?

  Besty I wish you well on what ever you decide to do. Personally if called to a meeting I would NEVER give them the authority over me to belittle me and to ignore my questions. They have NO AUTHORITY over you if you don't "play their game".

  However, you may feel it important to go. If you do, I would encourage you to listen to the tape I will reference. It is of a Elder who without the Internet found that same disturbing things and was also disfellowshipped for apostacy. Hear their meeting as it was secretly taped. I think you will get alot of good ideas for your meeting, and it may help you decide if you should even go or not. It is actually quite AMAZING!!

  http://www.jwinfoline.com/Page/audio.htm

  Scroll down to Rick & Lavern Townsend under "Specialty Tapes".

  Sincerely your friend,

  Lady Liberty
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  NEED HELP finding info on disassociating those who aren't active.....

  by Lady Liberty in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  dear friends,.

  i need help finding when, how and where i might find that announcement..publication...where the new procedure was not to announce ones as being dfed..but now they were to be annnounced as "no longer one of jehovahs witnesses".

  with that change, it made it so that those who were not active could technically be announced.

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  Lady Liberty

  Dear Seektofind,

  THANK YOU!!! Do you know exactly where?? There are some posters here that are in need of the info. I will try to pull it up on my CDRom, but it is only a 2003 version and I fear it may not be in there...you know..."old light".

  Sincerely,

  Lady Liberty
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  Reasoning with spouses using the 09/07 KM article

  by sir82 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i am still working on my wife, some progress is being made, but it is slow going.. here is how i plan to reason with her regarding the 9/07 km article on "non-endorsed" methods of study.

  feel free to use or adapt yourself, if you are in a similar situation.. .

  suppose that one day a stranger calls the house when i am not at home.

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  Lady Liberty

  Dear Sir82,

  WOW!! That would sure get me to think!!! And it wasn't offensive or pushy either!! I think you did a GREAT JOB!!! I cannot wait to hear how it goes!!!!! When do you plan to bring this up??

  Sincerely,

  Lady Liberty
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  NEED HELP finding info on disassociating those who aren't active.....

  by Lady Liberty in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  dear friends,.

  i need help finding when, how and where i might find that announcement..publication...where the new procedure was not to announce ones as being dfed..but now they were to be annnounced as "no longer one of jehovahs witnesses".

  with that change, it made it so that those who were not active could technically be announced.

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  Lady Liberty

  Now that I think about it..wasn't it a letter that was read at a service meeting???

  L.L.
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  NEED HELP finding info on disassociating those who aren't active.....

  by Lady Liberty in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  dear friends,.

  i need help finding when, how and where i might find that announcement..publication...where the new procedure was not to announce ones as being dfed..but now they were to be annnounced as "no longer one of jehovahs witnesses".

  with that change, it made it so that those who were not active could technically be announced.

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  Lady Liberty

  Dear friends,

  I need help finding when, how and where I might find that announcement..publication...where the new procedure was not to announce ones as being DFed..but now they were to be annnounced as "No Longer One Of Jehovahs Witnesses".

  With that change, it made it so that those who were not active could technically be announced. The treatment was to be the same as a disfellowshipped person under the reasoning that they by their lack of meeting attendance or ministry, they were "disassociating" themselves by their actions.

  I think it was a couple of years ago.. anyone remember?? I clearly remember the cahnge as I remember wondering if this would be the way we would be disposed of. In fact a faimily member told us not to bohter disassociating ourselves, because we had already done that by our actions in pulling away from the meetings etc.

  So if any of you out there with elephant memories..or really organized files could help jog our memory, it would be greatly appreciated!!

  Thanks to you all and have a SUPER day!!

  Sincerely,

  Lady Liberty